Extremely RARE: “Indonesian” Ayam Cemani Chickens, Not “American” type. Much better quality than American birds.
UPDATE: 8-25-21: WE HAVE CHICKS AVAILABLE TO GO RIGHT NOW!
Contact us today to see if we have eggs or chicks available. First read this full page. We will only have a few chicks and eggs available since we are not a hatchery, but hatch eggs to keep a few back for breeding and offer the rest. I will NOT offer anything less than the best. So call today to see what is available.
Our breeding stock are not from any hatcheries. They are from just a couple small breeders that did not cross their lines. They are the ones actively working on the ACBA trying to get the Ayam Cemani recognized as a breed with the APA. If you want the best you need to stick with the very few breeders that did it the right way from the very start. Using non crossed birds, and working on improving the breed here, and not those focused on just making money.
WHO you get your Cemani from is very important. Learn from my mistakes I have made. I have spent thousands and years trying to improve the “hatchery” type stock and then realized it was all in vain and have since rehomed every last one as pets. They are not worth spending your time and money on. If you want the best quality you really need to stay away from ANY hatcheries or those who have hatchery stock, or those that just buy some birds to make money on and are not actively trying to improve the breed. 95% or more of the Ayam Cemani in the US are not correct to the Indonesian standard at all. That is because some of the hatcheries seeing dollar signs brought in not such great quality birds and then crossed them to another breed to up egg production because their mind was on increasing numbers of the birds for money and not to preserve the breed as it is in Indonesia. They then have been trying for years to get the crossed birds back to being a true Ayam Cemani. Even those who have came close have not been able to get the bird back to what is was. They do not breed true. They do not have the proper hard feathering you see in Indonesian birds, and I feel something was lost in the cross with fibro expression. Even if you get a double fibro with lots of black in the mouth it does not express the fibro as well as the non crossed Indonesian birds. Maybe something got lost with the gypsy gene or another expression gene when they first crossed them. You just are not going to get back to the correct Indonesian type when you only have crossed lines breeding eachother. Since hatcheries and those wanting to make a quick buck have flooded the US with these imperfect genes, we now have a overload of subpar flocks out there with tons of people saying they are working on improving their lines. I feel sorry for them, since they have not yet come to the conclusion they need to start over with different non crossed birds or they will never get to as good quality more Indonesian Gamebird type.
I am going to get a lot of haters for this but I feel it is important to educate people so this “WRONG” type does not keep flooding the market. Hatcheries DO NOT have the purer lines. Even if they got a Indonesian type line bird they would screw it up by breeding it to the crossed lines. Do your research and look at the breed standard. A true Ayam Cemani should be slender and stand tall like a game bird and have HARD feathering which looks choppy but not frizzled and not smooth. Many Cemani in Indonesia are almost bald until their first molt because their feathers are so hard. It Should not look like a production body type smooth feathered bird most breeders are incorrectly breeding. Just because a US breeder says theirs has won ribbons does not mean theirs was to the best standard. It just means out of the couple of birds that are there it looked better than the other. Not to mention judges only see this wrong type since there are so many of them out there being bred to make a quick buck. Very few of the actual correct type. The breeder association is presently creating the breed standard that will hopefully soon be accepted which is a gamebird type not the WRONG type the hatcheries are breeding. It is very hard because of the huge amount of the wrong type out there so that is why I have decided to ONLY breed and to the Indonesian correct type from now on.
Here is a correct type Ayam Cemani photos and is what we all need to be breeding for: Hard feathers and all.
Right now my Indonesian type is a B line and still being worked on but is all tested for and all have the double fibro gene and these are from the non hatchery type birds. These parents are more the CORRECT Indonesian type birds. Much better stock genetically than anything else you are going to see available online for this breed. This flock is all solid black. They have the longer legs, gamebird stance, hard feathering, and are black inside their vents and mouths.
I hatch out chicks so I can choose a few premium chicks to keep improving with and sell the few others.
Ayam Cemani Chickens. Our homestead farm flock we will now be offering from consists of a select handful of rare and very nice quality solid black birds. This is not a cross breed. Our foundation stock is from the richer black lines that were not crossed as the hatchery American lines were.
Here are a couple of my chicks. As you can see they are very black, black tongues and all, and are leggy and hard feathered. In fact they look like half their feathers are gone at this young age because they are loosing their baby down feathers and the adult hard feathers take longer to come in fully. First chick below is a little younger than the second chick.
There is the “American” type Cemani and the Purer “Indonesian” type Cemani. We have had both. American type are from well known breeders like *** and ***,(if you want to know the names of some of these breeders that crossed the breed just contact me, I don’t want them to make a smear campaign against me for mentioning them by name here), that brought in Indonesian birds in 2014 to 2017 and then crossed them with a different breed to get more egg production, smoother feathers, and a larger bird. They then worked on getting the traits back they lost in the cross and improving their “American” lines. *Many breeders are happy with the body type they have come to but we feel it is not enough like a gamebird yet. The lines I currently working on are descendants of the pureer blooded Raven, Banko, Lee, lines that are as the birds are in Indonesia. These birds have a harder feather, and can fly a lot more than any American type chicken can. They tend to be thinner framed than the American type and stand up tall, more like a gamebird. They also seem to have better fibro in my opinion.
Ayam Cemani originate in Indonesia and are known to be black through out their bodies… black feathers, black skin, black comb and wattles, black flesh, black organs, black bones and all. The only thing that is not black is their blood, although it is much darker than average chicken blood. Their feathers are black as black can be with iridescent blues, like an oil slick, to the feathers in sunlight. This makes this breed one of the most beautiful chickens on the planet, hailing them as “The Lamborghini of Poultry.” The rarest and most sought after chicken breed on the planet!
In Indonesia, the all black chicken is known for their mystical healing powers due to their black hyper-pigmentation. The hens lay about 80-120 eggs each year. Their eggs are unusually large proportion compared to the hen’s body, making them a low feed cost breed. Although this is an all black bird and our breeding stock some of the blackest good quality birds, it is important to understand that not all Ayam Cemani offspring grow up to be solid black, even with solid black parents you will get throw backs with colored or diluted undertones in the feathering from time to time. In the American type birds you will see this more than the Indonesian type though. As such, we cannot guarantee the distribution of black pigment in the offspring you receive as each chick will turn out different. Any reputable breeder will tell you that in general you will get 1 or 2 out of every 6 chicks that turn out nice. The others may have mulberry undertones or a white toe or feather or something else you need to cull. I personally never breed anything but the best when I raise up chicks to choose from for our breeding stock. When you are looking for which chicks to keep I can send you a video to help you choose. It is pretty much a video telling you to look over the chick from inside vent to inside mouth and keep the blackest ones you have and then watch how the fibro comes in… Fibro is a process. so the bird will have it darken in areas as it grows and then will stop at a certain point and the bird will then get more gray feathers at that point on. You want to keep the best chicks with fibro expression at hatch and then keep re-evaluating the chick as it grows, keeping the ones that hold their fibro expression the longest.
Hardiness and Personality: Ayam Cemani are usually cold & hot weather hardy, low maintenance, tame and easy to handle. Many people train them to be therapy pets and even have them live in their home.
Ayam Cemani Breed info: Origin: Indonesia, Type: Standard Large Fowl, Size: Medium Large (5-7 lbs) but females can be as little as (2.5 lbs) on occasion, Rarity: Extremely Rare, Bird Color: Black, Egg Laying: Good (3-4/week, 80-120/year), Egg Color: Cream, or very Light Tan, THEY DO NOT NOW AND HAVE NEVER LAID BLACK EGGS. If someone is trying to sell you black eggs they are not Ayam Cemani eggs. Egg Size: Medium, Unique Feature: World’s Only All Black Chicken Inside & Out, Cold Hardiness: Ok Winter Tolerance, Heat Tolerance: Great Heat tolerance, Docile: Yes, Setter/Broody: Yes, Sometimes, Personality: Very human friendly, curious and docile.
Customer Service: I take customer satisfaction very seriously. I want everyone to be 100% pleased with their chicks and our customer service and if there is ever a time when someone is unhappy I hope they will come right to me so I can make it right. I have worked hard to get our birds to where they are right now and take pride in their quality. I stand by the quality of every chick I send off to a new home. If you get one of our Indonesian type chicks and you are unhappy with how the chick turns out you can come get another free of charge. I do not give refunds but we hatch chicks and can offer another chick as a replacement. I feel customer service is very poor in many of the other breeders out there. There should not be any reason a seller can not get back to you within 24 hrs if you contact them before or after you receive your chicks and they should answer the phone when you call or at least return your messages. You have my promise we will be available for you. We also take much care when we ship our chicks. I can’t believe some people will ship chicks with only straw in the box and nothing else, in the end killing the chicks. Then they tell you to pay for shipping again so they can turn around and do the same thing again! We put food, grogel, bedding, and a heat pack in with every shipment. We give the chicks the best chance and give you 100% on our customer service.
Color: Are ALL Ayam Cemani the same deep black color? The answer is absolutely not. There are genes that when expressed uniquely or are not present can cause color that looks like it is bleeding through the black. The perfect black Ayam Cemani has 2 copies of the fibromelanistic gene and gypsy gene is expressed perfectly it also expresses the fibro gene correctly with being solid black. Not every Cemani bird will have 2 copies of the gene and if gypsy gene is not present that to can make a difference. Every bird expresses the Fibro gene differently. In many cases a bird with only one copy of the gene looks like it has two copies. When you are wanting to breed for future chicks and hatching eggs to sell you should only breed solid black birds with no color leakage and no mulberry coloring showing up, then you will get less offspring with color coming through. Yes a 0 or 1 copy Fibro Ayam Cemani can look solid black…. test breeding would need to be done to see how many genes each parent has. ALL OF OUR ADULT BREEDER BIRDS HAVE BEEN TESTED AND DO HAVE THE DOUBLE FIBRO GENE. We do not just breed two black birds that look like they have good coloring. We test breed to make sure they are double fibro carriers. We only breed solid black parents that are top quality but like ALL breeders can have a few chicks show up with genes that cause some color. We are one of the few breeders that are completely honest about this. We usually throw in an extra chick or two since we can not guarantee every chick to be the perfect Ayam Cemani, If a seller says “all” their chicks are perfect black coloring I would research that seller / breeder and you will most likely find it to be untrue. In even the best breeding pair you will see about 30% of chicks hatch with a white toe or a white feather. So if you plan on getting into this breed you need to know several of the chicks you will hatch out will not be quality birds and will need to be culled. Culled does not mean killed, it just means put out of any breeding program. Even if you get hatching eggs from us some will most likely hatch with a white toe or feathering but some should look solid black feathered with the typical dark gray baby down. If you only want a couple of nicer quality birds I would suggest not getting eggs but to buy chicks or juveniles. When we choose chicks out of a hatch to sell we look them over to make sure any you are paying for are showing only black at that time. Although fibro does change so nothing is guaranteed. We also do not consider inside mouth tongue color in selling chicks. It could look lighter and then darken as the chick’s fibro progresses. I feel It is best to be honest and help those KNOW the breed enough to help them make good breeding decisions themselves. So no matter who you get your chicks from just know that some will be good for breeding and some best for the stew pot. Or if your just keeping for your own back yard flock and are eating the eggs then a little color just gives your pet chicken some character. A true black Cemani will have the oil slick type of iridescent green sheen on his black feathers in direct sunlight and this is not the color leakage we are talking about in this paragraph. The first birds that were brought into the US were not great quality and US breeders are still perfecting the “U.S.” line we have. it is very difficult to import any new birds because of import restrictions on poultry. I still feel the “American” lines will never get to what the breed is in Indonesia even if they do look better than they did before. I feel genes were lost that no one has been able to get back… SO its Best to get our more Indonesian type lines. We want only happy customers that want to keep coming back to us so if you are not 100% happy with your order I want to know so I can make it right with you. I am also available to talk to you unlike many sellers that just do not have good customer service and you never hear from again… I like to hear how the chicks turn out as adults so would love an update when your chicks are adults.
The Ayam Cemani Breeder’s Association is a good place to learn genetics on this breed and help you become the best breeder you can. I suggest visiting their site to research the breed. Never by chicks from someone that is not a member of the Ayam Cemani Breeder’s Association. Even then you should call and ask them where their lines originated from. If it was from one of the well known hatcheries that sell chicks daily you need to look elsewhere. Stick to only breeders that have the purer stock such as Raven, Blanko, Lee Lines. If you get chicks from a ACBA member you know your breeder has stuck to ethical breeding practices for this breed and is highly thought of in the Ayam Cemani community.
Q & A:
Question: 1. Can a full breed Ayam Cemani have feathers on his legs?
Answer: The perfect leg is of coarse featherless on an adult Cemani but many chicks can hatch with down type feathers along the upper shaft or going down one side of legs. Most of the time this feathering goes away as the bird grows but even if not the bird could still be considered good breeding quality. If it has perfect coloring and to standard everywhere else this would be a good bird for breeding since leg feather gene breeds away quickly. If the chick only has it on upper leg or along outside shaft of leg this is still a good quality bird. As long as its not a profuse amount with the whole leg and feet covered by feathers. If a full feathered leg bird is bred to a bare leg bird it takes 2 generations to get rid of the feathering in offspring. If the feathering is minimal then you probably will get rid of it in just one breeding. Coloring and overall structure are the two most important factors when deciding the quality of your breeding birds in the beginning.
Question 2. Is a non black nail or white toe chick a consideration for culling?
Answer: In my experience hatching out eggs I will still see a few have some amount of white on them in every hatch. that includes a white toenail on up to white feathering here and there on the chick. This is how I feel about it and others might feel differently… I personally do not feel a chick that has a white toenail or a single toe that has a white tip is cull worthy. This white toenail may actually just be a clear spot that will fill in with black later on as the fibro progresses. If it does not it is still a solid black “inside” bird. So is much better a choice for breeding than one that has mulberry coloring. If a chick has a white or clear toenail I still consider it a good quality chick but if a entire toe or several toes are white I consider it for cull. but if I had to choose between one that had a white toe and one with mulberry coloring I choose the white toe since mulberry is throughout the entire bird “inside”. (A clear toenail is different. it is a clear nail and you can see a black quick. This is just a spot that will eventually fill in with color as the Fibro matures.) If you order day old chicks from us some may have a white toe nail which I feel is still a good quality chick, we also sometimes throw in extras with white on them as warmer chicks free of charge. Those chicks are called AC mixed chicks and are not to go into any Ayam Cemani breeding program. More on actual white toenail: I had a female with a white toe nail I did an experiment with: I separated the white toenail girl out to do a experimental breeding and have found I hatched out the same percentage of white spotted, (areas of non pigmentation), chicks as with a solid black hen from all black parentage both double fibro carriers. So I have come to the conclusion the white spotted / lack of pigment gene is within genes of any Cemani and shows up in almost every hatch in one way or another. I do see it show up much less in the Indonesian lines we have wen compared to the American bred lines that were crossed early on. If you are planning on breeding Cemani and hatching any eggs please keep in mind you will have many chicks that are not perfectly solid black that you will need to find homes for or raise and eat. Keep this in mind: In Indonesia they cull a bird that has a gray dot on the tongue after a few mths old. Here in the US there are no breeders that have such remarkable stock that they can cull that bird. So you keep your best chicks each hatch and then keep checking them for progress, to keep improving your flock.
Question 3. Is a bird with mulberry color bleeding through a bird to cull? Or a pink tongue or inside mouth color a bird to cull?
Answer: Do not believe the lie that many breeders say about the mulberry tones in comb and wattles being normal and from testosterone levels. It is a throw back to the wild gamebird the Cemani came from and shows poor fibro expression and should not be in any breeding program. In my humble opinion I feel any breeding Ayam Cemani should be solid black with the iridescent coloring that is the breed standard. Mulberry is getting away from that and the mulberry undertones you see easily in the wattle and comb of some birds is a color that is throughout the inside organs of the bird as well. So you no longer have a bird that is the black inside and out as the suggested breed standard states. I feel your Roosters should be the perfect Ayam Cemani because you have so few of them over several hens. So your Rooster should be 100% of the breed standard or as close to it as possible. I would put a bird with mulberry in a pet flock that is not selling chicks or the dinner table. Mulberry coloring can show up in any hatch, even if you have no mulberry parents, this is not something a breeder can guarantee for and this color shows up as the bird gets older. It is not something you can see in a young chick. This is one reason why I tell people to get several birds to raise up and then choose the best ones to keep for breeding if that is your future goal. Same goes for pink in mouth. You want Oyster or gray tongue and the more black on it the better. A full dark black tongue is the holy grail and I have only seen it in the INDONESIAN type birds and only from breeders that bred those purer Indonesian lines. And only 2 breeders in US have had one or two with black tongues and all inside mouth being black as well out of thousand of birds hatched. A bird with gray tongue with black ridge and tip and all black under neath and all black inside mouth is a very good bird to keep as long as it also shows good coloring every else when selecting for keepers. Oyster is also ok if the bird is black everywhere else in mouth and out. A Oyster tongue is better than a pink tongue and gray is better than Oyster. Don’t keep any pink tongues. Black is the goal. Chicks from parents that have the darkest tongues can still hatch chicks with lighter tones in mouth or tongue. And is one reason you should always hatch your own and only keep back the best to keep improving your personal line. So if you start with lighter color tongue breeding stock, keep looking for darker tongue chicks from them to replace that adult. Keep checking fibro as bird matures to see if it darkens and when that bird stops getting fibro expression as much. Remember we want the darkest fibro and those that express it the longest. Structure is important to: A floppy comb isn’t perfect but can be bred out quickly just like a feather or two in a wrong location, but a short leg bird could be harder to fix. I personally do not breed a floppy comb, mulberry leakage colored birds or birds that have any areas of non pigmentation more than maybe 1 toe nail that is clear when a young chick that darkened later on. I will not breed anything with any pink tones anywhere. I personally wont even keep Oyster or light gray tongue birds for my breeding program, although when first starting out that maybe all a newby has to start with and it is better than a pink tongue which is a for sure No for anyone to breed.
Question 4. Is it ok to breed a pure breed Ayam Cemani to a different breed for a mixed breed flock?
Answer: Yes of course it is ok to breed your Ayam Cemani to other breeds but always be sure to tell anyone getting your chicks or eggs of the cross. Many breeders that breed full blooded Ayam Cemani will at same time have mixed eggs or chicks available because you can only test for proper fibro genes by breeding to a non fibro breed. So it is a sign the breeder is doing it correctly if they have other types of birds breeding to their Ayams. I personally breed my Ayam Cemani Cock to Aricana and EE hens. I chose those two bird types because their egg color and size is very different from the Ayam Cemani eggs so I can easily tell their eggs apart while still keeping them together. When I sell Ayam Cemani Eggs they are PURE Ayam Cemani fertile eggs and those eggs are white to cream colored medium sized eggs. When I have mixed breed fertile eggs they are the blueish green large sized eggs. I sell both and you can order either group or some of each. I DO NOT ALWAYS SELL MY PURE CEMANI EGGS, CONTACT ME TO SEE IF I’M CURRENTLY OFFERING THOSE.
Question 5. Why do Ayam Cemani chicks cost so much, and why do hatcheries sell them for cheaper? Is getting eggs to hatch more economical?
Answer: So many people get this breed and then decide to stop breeding for it after the first year or two… Many people see the prices online and think it is a money maker to have this breed of bird… I have to tell those people you do not know the WORK involved until you get into it. If you just let any birds breed you will have all poor quality birds with noticeable white and mulberry coloring in just a few generations. around 50% or more of all chicks are not sellable quality in this breed unless you are wanting to sell poor quality along with good quality like the hatcheries do for cheaper prices. But that then floods the US with these horrible looking culls people are selling as good birds. You may have decided to get eggs after looking at how much chicks cost… Keep in mind that a good breeder is culling a lot of chicks to get you one that is solid black, so they may have had 30 to 60% or more of the hatch not be selling quality. This is better in the more Indonesian type lines but is still there. Hatcheries sell chicks cheaper because they do not look through chicks for quality and sell whatever hatches out. So if you get chicks from a hatchery they are not caring about the quality they are breeding or how many chicks you receive that have white on them or mulberry coloring. But a good Ayam Cemani breeder will pick out the nicest that hatch to sell and the rest they give away free or at a majorly discounted price, so they actually make a lot less then you think on them and this is the same you will see in your own hatches. In general a couple might be keepers and the rest will be culling quality. This goes for absolutely every hatch from even the most top quality birds. If you buy already hatched out chicks from a good breeder you will get chicks that are actually black and if you hatch out your own a few should be great quality but there is always a risk that only a few lesser quality chicks hatch out for you or if post office mishandled them or your incubating process isn’t great then you may end up with none hatching at all. So there is a risk in wanting to save money by hatching out your own. I have ordered a dozen eggs before from a breeder that is in high standing in the Ayam Cemani breeding community and only a couple of eggs hatched out and they both had white toes so it was a loss of hundreds of dollars. This can happen to anyone… So In that case I should have just bought a couple day old chicks for the same price that at least would have been all black. Cemani also do not lay as well as your egg laying breeds. They tend to lay maybe 5 eggs in a week for a month or two and then take a break for a month or so before starting to lay again and they do not lay well in the winter months. You have to weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself what is best for you. We have both chicks and eggs for sale. Please consider selling all your cull chicks as mixes so people don’t try to sell them as breeders. Just too many culls have created a poor type we see here in the US. Another thought on hatchery stock: Most hatcheries and hobby breeders only improve their birds by keeping back a few that look nicely colored. They do not actually take the time to test each one to make sure they are only breeding double fibro carriers and then reassessing the birds to make sure the correct expression of those genes are there. Now that we only breed the Indonesian type we personally test all of our breeder birds for the double fibro gene.
Question 6. Why does my chick look like he is loosing his feathers and looks partially bald?
Answer: Ayam Cenami that are bred correctly will have harder type feathers that are more to the standard in Indonesia. This hard feathering is a result of Fibro. So the more fibro the more you will see hard feathering. Many birds in Indonesia look bald up to a year old because they have so much fibro that they have ALL hard feathers. Hard feathers are more sparse, grow slower, and break off easier. Some people like the hard feathering and some people do not. It is important to keep in mind we are not trying to make a bird EVERYONE thinks is cute, or a lovely lawn ornament, but we are sticking to the standard the breed is suppose to be, the Indonesian standard. If you want a smooth bird you may want breed something like a Svart Hona instead. Please do not ruin the Ayam Cemani breed by wrongly breeding only smooth feathered birds.
Question 7. Which is better American or Indonesian type Ayam Cemani?
Answer: Depends on who you talk to. I and many of the other members of the Ayam Cemani Breeder’s Association in the end want the bird to look as it does in Indonesia. So a breeder that has the more American type lines needs to be breeding for that first but needs to get fibro to be better in the American type even before fixing the shape of the bird. We want A bird that is more wild looking than a domestic chicken, more gamebird like with high fibro. You are closer to that with the Indonesian type line. We are trying to make this bird have its own breed standard that you can see on the ACBA website. The bird is not yet recognized here in the US as a breed with a standard and only breeding to the suggested breed standard is going to get that to happen. In my opinion the Indonesian type also seem to have better fibro expression. Which is maybe why they also tend to have harder feathers… Which is something caused in the egg from fibro. A harder feathered bird tends to have better fibro. Hard feathering is not Frizzle gene and is not a frizzled bird. Totally different.
Question 8. Why don’t the hatcheries and all those who have the wrong body and feather type birds switch to the better type?
Answer: You would need to ask them but my thoughts are they have thousands of dollars and many years wrapped up in their own line they made from crossing in the beginning and then not breeding correctly for the body type and such and now have bred themselves into a genetic corner and are unwilling to say its never going to be the Indonesian type bird. The few breeders that did not cross theirs will not sell to them anymore because they know they will ruin them… So they are stuck with what they have now. And really they don’t need to change in their mind because they sell sooo many so easily to unsuspecting persons that want a cool chicken and do not know what they are buying. If you do a google search it shows the best place to get chicks “top 10 breeders”, are all hatcheries… Because they buy the ads that created that page. They are the ones selling thousands of chicks a year. Breeders that have the pure lines don’t sell thousands of chicks. They have a couple hatches a year and small flocks. They breed for a purpose, not for a quick buck. They talk to the buyer to discuss bettering the breed, not just a blank online order form like many have. I feel sorry for the many people who have these substandard birds as their foundation farm flock and are unknowingly selling more substandard chicks. I have heard many excuses as to why a certain breeder wont switch to more purer lines… One I have heard is that some of the purer lines were smuggled in and they don’t want anything “illegal”… But do you really think after 5 or 8 yrs of those lines being here in the US any authorities are going to DNA test your birds to see if they were related to birds that were smuggled in years ago…. Come on…. That’s just crazy….. I would rather have birds that are true Cemani genetics that “may” have been decedents of smuggled in birds, then have the poor quality birds they crossed early on and can’t ever get back the important genetics they lost. That’s just my 2 cents on the subject.
Question 9. Do you vaccinate the chicks?
Answer: I do vaccinate chicks for Marek’s If I plan on choosing some from the hatch to keep for my own. So I may or may not vaccinated your chicks. If you would like vaccinated chicks just ask me if I plan on vaccinating the hatch you are wanting chicks from. If I am vaccinating them then I vaccinate all of them unless someone specifically says they want some unvaccinated. If I am not planning on vaccinating the hatch you will have to wait until a hatch I do vaccinate if you want only vaccinated chicks, or else you would have to pay for the bottle of vaccine for your chicks. It’s only free if I’m already planning on vaccinating, since the bottle has to all be used within 1 hour of mixing it. You can call if this sounds confusing for me to explain. Make sure if you only want (unvaccinated) chicks to ask for that when you order. If I vaccinate your chicks I write it on your receipt you will receive at same time as your chicks.
Eggs: I do not always offer eggs on this breed. You will need to call and ask if I’m offering any hatching eggs at this time. I do always have chick hatches if you are wanting chicks though.
Egg care: at my home eggs are put on a egg turner sat on their side that it inside a wine cooler that keeps a steady temp of 60 degrees and humidity at 60 to 65%. We collect eggs about 3 days before ship date so you get the newest laid eggs. Any extra eggs might be a tad older.
When you get eggs to your home you can let them rest for a few hours if you like to allow for air cell settling. 6 hrs is sufficient but some like to wait until next day. Then you should put them in your incubator. Do not turn for first 24 to 48 hrs. After that time you can turn them 180 degrees, 5 times a day or put on a automatic egg turner. On egg turner lay on side or set in turner pointy end down. If aircells are broken then the safest position for incubating is pointy end down so aircell stays at top of the egg. I will say the less you open the incubator the better your hatch will turn out so auto turners are worth their weight in gold!
Incubating your eggs. There is the wet method and dry method of incubating. Dry method is 25 to 35% humidity until lockdown day which is 18 for chicken eggs, and then up to 65% for hatch. Please note Cemani can hatch from day 19 to day 22, but still lockdown on day 18. Wet method for Cemani eggs is 45% until lockdown and then 70 to 75% for hatch. I personally have a brinsea 360 and do my Cemani’s at 30% for first week and then 40 to 45% until lockdown, and then 65% at lock down. I also do not turn eggs for first 1 to 2 days. then turn several times a day until lockdown. My turner is set to every 45min. But if hand turning you need to turn an odd amount of times. So the eggs are not on one side more than the other on the longer overnight spans. Every incubator is different and even your home environment will change the outcome so its best to first practice on cheap eggs to get the perfect settings that work on your incubator before putting in more valuable eggs.
This website link below will take you to a page that will help you in your incubation of your eggs. Very informative on how to weigh and keep track of weight of eggs to make sure it is on track to loose the weight it needs to hatch. I would also like to suggest you keep an eye on the aircell and how it lines up with the following images since eggs that are collected over a period of days may start off with already having some weight loss to start with…